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oscar7 Moderator (Indonesia)
Number of posts : 2270 Age : 48 Location : Jakarta-KL Job/hobbies : Football Registration date : 2008-04-02
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:08 am | |
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sakhratul Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 1638 Age : 41 Location : Boston, MA Registration date : 2008-04-08
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:04 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:30 am | |
| Even if i'm not a fan of liverpool... i must say that this is a sooperb collection!!!! |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
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chcher Moderator (Malaysia)
Number of posts : 2711 Age : 45 Location : Kuala Lumpur / Kuantan Job/hobbies : Football, jersey, unplugged music, keyboard, singing Registration date : 2008-03-31
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:04 pm | |
| wow really cool kits there Michael! real precious not to meniont just curios - for your match worn shirts, do you wash them? Or let them retain the sweat/smell? I mean, which would be more valuable in a eyes? | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:26 pm | |
| Well, for the smelly shirts which really stink, I cannot tolerate the hygiene condition and thus I usually wash them.
I am not the kind of crazy collector who sniff every spot of blood / mud / sweat stains. The shirt itself, no matter in laundered / unlaundered condition, has the same meaning to me as a true-heart collector.
I rather feel that those who attach to "unwashed / muddy" conditions are usually the dealers, who aim to ask for sky-rocketing prices for the shirts in so-called "original condition collected from pitch". I am not fond of it. | |
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Fyrekat Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 365 Age : 47 Location : Ipoh Job/hobbies : Too many! Humor : Bakunyuu, I choose you! Registration date : 2008-04-02
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:12 pm | |
| Yeah, for me I'd also think that a match-worn shirt is match-worn no matter what. The unwashed condition only serves as 'proof' that the item is match-worn, but then again if someone wanted to fake that it's not difficult also. And really, how would you know if all those stains are 'genuine' anyway? Hence the importance of trust and knowing where to source and who to get the shirts from. This is the lesson taught to me by you last time In any case, I wouldn't know how to keep or display unlaundered shirts anyway! Just imagine them all in a closet or something... eeewwwwwwww! My wife will kick me out of the house for that | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:09 pm | |
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alister88 Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 3175 Age : 35 Location : KL Job/hobbies : Student Registration date : 2008-04-03
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:35 pm | |
| wow.. another nice kit... Michael, I guess u travelled alot to get the kits huh ? I like the Hilton sponsor... | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:08 pm | |
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Fyrekat Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 365 Age : 47 Location : Ipoh Job/hobbies : Too many! Humor : Bakunyuu, I choose you! Registration date : 2008-04-02
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sakhratul Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 1638 Age : 41 Location : Boston, MA Registration date : 2008-04-08
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sylus tung Singaporean Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 799 Location : Singapore Humor : Wry Registration date : 2008-09-04
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:12 am | |
| - curator wrote:
- Well, for the smelly shirts which really stink, I cannot tolerate the hygiene condition and thus I usually wash them.
I am not the kind of crazy collector who sniff every spot of blood / mud / sweat stains. The shirt itself, no matter in laundered / unlaundered condition, has the same meaning to me as a true-heart collector.
I rather feel that those who attach to "unwashed / muddy" conditions are usually the dealers, who aim to ask for sky-rocketing prices for the shirts in so-called "original condition collected from pitch". I am not fond of it. I agree with Michael totally! I cannot imagine having a filthy grubby shirt sitting in my wardrobe. I prefer to collect match issued shirts that are clear and pristine. Either that or like Mike said, laundered! | |
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alister88 Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 3175 Age : 35 Location : KL Job/hobbies : Student Registration date : 2008-04-03
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:39 am | |
| @Michael, hmm... about those signed shirts, are they washed before they signed or they signed without washing it ? If they sign on a dirty shirts, did you wash it ? | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:31 pm | |
| - alister88 wrote:
- @Michael,
hmm... about those signed shirts, are they washed before they signed or they signed without washing it ?
If they sign on a dirty shirts, did you wash it ? All the shirts so far I got are "signed after worn". For the old vintage shirts (70s & 80s), the stink usually evaporated / vanished for decades so I won't be washing it even if I find some mud / blood stains. The reason is that these aged stains can't be removed even if I wash the shirt nowadays. But for the present match worn signed shirts, I am taking the bet whether to wash them or not, even they come with autographs. It's a 50-50 chance: either it's signed with water-markers or permanent-ink marker. If it's the former case, the stinky smell together with the autographs can be washed away (or paling) together. | |
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asprillialim Jersey Expert (Malaysia)
Number of posts : 368 Age : 40 Location : Kuantan, Pahang, Malaysia. Job/hobbies : Football, Futsal, Fussball, PS3 Winning Eleven (Pro Evolution Soccer) Humor : Forza Azzurri Registration date : 2008-09-06
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:41 pm | |
| - Fyrekat wrote:
- Yeah, for me I'd also think that a match-worn shirt is match-worn no matter what. The unwashed condition only serves as 'proof' that the item is match-worn, but then again if someone wanted to fake that it's not difficult also. And really, how would you know if all those stains are 'genuine' anyway?
Hence the importance of trust and knowing where to source and who to get the shirts from. This is the lesson taught to me by you last time
In any case, I wouldn't know how to keep or display unlaundered shirts anyway! Just imagine them all in a closet or something... eeewwwwwwww! My wife will kick me out of the house for that A lot of the sellers tell me that they are offering me the match worn, but I don't care whether it is match worn or not, as long as the jerseys are match issue. Those sellers can do the fake match worn by just wearing the match issue they got in hand to play in the pitch. When he got sweat, mud and dirt everywhere, then he tells you it is match worn. Club jersey is more probable to obtain the real match worn because they played more than 40 matches in a season (friendly, cups..etc). However, national team jersey's match worn is harder to obtain. It is because how many games do they play a year or a season? 15? 20? I believe not more than 25 games a year. Even though my most trustable source sometimes tell me that he is offering me match worn, I don't really bother it. I will assume the jersey is match worn just if I get the jersey from the player itself. Or you have picture or video as a proof. I really like Michael Yip's collection and his website. He organizes each category of the jersey very well and throughly. I wish I could create a site just like he did. | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:06 am | |
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schmeichel7 Administrator
Number of posts : 4273 Age : 44 Location : Shah Alam Job/hobbies : Collecting Football Jerseys Registration date : 2008-03-31
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:51 am | |
| That is a gem kit you have there Michael.
Match worn + signed shirt some more... Priceless.. | |
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sakhratul Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 1638 Age : 41 Location : Boston, MA Registration date : 2008-04-08
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:04 am | |
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alister88 Malaysian Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 3175 Age : 35 Location : KL Job/hobbies : Student Registration date : 2008-04-03
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:06 am | |
| - schmeichel7 wrote:
Match worn + signed shirt some more... Priceless.. this statement should edit abit... lets make it this way.. Matchworn + Original signed shirt.. cos now days, many people out there are selling signed shirt, which I think most of it are preprinted ? | |
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adamiqbal Senior Member
Number of posts : 393 Registration date : 2008-04-05
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:24 am | |
| dear Yip, I am confused about 1995/96 player shirts. Why some numbers have adidas written on and some dont? and also McManaman's name on the shirt, for the letter C, why some are on top and some are on bottom? Thanks in advance! | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:19 am | |
| - adamiqbal wrote:
- dear Yip, I am confused about 1995/96 player shirts. Why some numbers have adidas written on and some dont? and also McManaman's name on the shirt, for the letter C, why some are on top and some are on bottom? Thanks in advance!
I was informed that the club prepared 4 shirts for each match - two of them with the Adidas words on the numbers, and two of them do not. Mostly the ones without Adidas words will be picked by players as the first option. Regarding the position of small-c of name Macca, I reckon you will ONLY find the wrongly positioned one for the counterfeit / unofficial names & numberings. | |
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sylus tung Singaporean Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 799 Location : Singapore Humor : Wry Registration date : 2008-09-04
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:35 am | |
| Michael,
I do not know if you agree with me but the present MW shirt market is effectively "dead". No one is willing to pay for the shirt because of the influx of fakes in the market in recent years. This dilution has greatly dimisnished collectors' confidence.
In my opinion, the earlier vintage shirts, pre-2002 but more so pre-1990s, were easier to identify the differences on a genuine shirt. | |
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curator Jersey Expert (Hong Kong)
Number of posts : 559 Location : Merseyside Registration date : 2008-06-18
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:02 am | |
| - sylus tung wrote:
- Michael,
I do not know if you agree with me but the present MW shirt market is effectively "dead". No one is willing to pay for the shirt because of the influx of fakes in the market in recent years. This dilution has greatly dimisnished collectors' confidence.
In my opinion, the earlier vintage shirts, pre-2002 but more so pre-1990s, were easier to identify the differences on a genuine shirt. I can't agree more. The myth of skyrocketing price for modern shirts has vanished already, no matter for Liverpool or otherwise clubs' shirts in my opinion. Over the past few years, dealers with conscience told me the same aforesaid verdict (or when you attempt to sell back the unwanted stuff to them). Only some bloodhounds for money always tell you "the market never dies". Overall speaking, as long as the manufacturer produces player (specification) shirts in bulk quantity and not controls their flooding in the market, there hardly exists any support to the prices of modern shirts. Of course I never say player specification shirts are substitute for genuine match worn shirts with good proverance, at least, the presence of plain player stocks causes an undeniably price cap to the authentic match worn shirts. As always, I am only keen on collecting the oldies shirts (70s / 80s) with clearly defined structurally authentication differences and potentially no risk of flooding of player specification shirts. (Thanks God there's no time machine for people to travel back and get surplus from Adidas / Umbro factories. And the manfacturers' philosophy of producing kits then was totally different from what we see now). | |
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sylus tung Singaporean Jersey Collector
Number of posts : 799 Location : Singapore Humor : Wry Registration date : 2008-09-04
| Subject: Re: Additions to the Liverpool Shirts Museum Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:24 am | |
| - curator wrote:
Overall speaking, as long as the manufacturer produces player (specification) shirts in bulk quantity and not controls their flooding in the market, there hardly exists any support to the prices of modern shirts. Of course I never say player specification shirts are substitute for genuine match worn shirts with good proverance, at least, the presence of plain player stocks causes an undeniably price cap to the authentic match worn shirts.
Am on the same page as you on this. I now only focus on my attention on Liverpool shirts between 2000 & 2006. I still believe most of the Reebok shirts were harder to fake, had more distinct differences and were not as readily available as Adidas Formotion, etc although I could be still sorely mistaken on this fact. I have not yet jumped onto the vintage shirts bandwagon as yet as I am not as familiar with that era of football shirts plus the distinct lack of the availability of information/pictures/videos on the internet to source to determine authenticity of a shirt. I am therefore fearful of threading into unknown territory. | |
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