My Neverending Journey....

@kewellrulez, hehe....you also not bad yourself wat :p
too bad Soccer Central across Central Market sell mostly fakes, if not i might oredi apply to work there

@iswandi, at the moment i still cant say whether it's match worn, match issue, just a normal player issue, or just a regular replica. but for GBP21, even a replica complete with embroidery and is worth it, IMO that's why i decided to just go for it, even though wat the seller said cant be confirmed.

according to Wikipedia, Mcmanaman only played in 1 game during world cup 1998. If anyone can confirm during that match England is using red shirt, then there is a chance it is a match worn shirt. other than that, i cant really confirm.

It looks like a player issue kit.

How about the .. is it single layer or separate like Wiggy's ?

yup England wore red that day cos i remember Beck scored from a freekick...i saw the pics before, wait i go search

here it is...

mcmanaman played in the match vs colombia as a subtitute... he replaced paul scholes in the 74th minute...

http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1998/groupg_eng_v_col.html

@schmeichel, i look through it carefully, and i saw a very small gap at the first M of mcmanaman. But if you dont look at it, when you run your hands over it, it feels as if its 1 piece. no feeling of "valley" like the from wiggy or homeofbadges. other than that, i kenot see it is 2 seperate thing, if it is, then it is a very good qualtity and printed on to a high precision. here's a pic:



@iswandi and devil_nick, yea, the red shirt is worn against Colombia. but what i did not know was did Mcmanaman play in that game? devil_nick gived me a very positive answer, and also substitute at 74th minutes means he plays for around 15 minutes only, maybe that's why the shirt does not look that worn, or mud stain. or maybe it has been laundered. but i still need more proof to be convinced

at now, let it be a PI shirt, as shown by the FA crest

Yes, McManaman did come in as a substitute in the 74th minute during the match...

http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/1998/groupg_eng_v_col.html

GOALS 20' 1-0 Darren Anderton
30' 2-0 David Beckham (free-kick)


REFEREE Arturo Brizio Carter (Mexico)
LINESMEN Elias Salinas Rostran (Honduras)
Laurent Rausis (Switzerland)
4TH OFFICIAL Ryszard Wojcik (Poland)

YELLOW CARDS 20' Mauricio Serna (COL)
22' Paul Scholes (ENG)
86' Victor Aristizabal (COL)
89' Alan Shearer (ENG)
89' Jorge Bermudez (COL)

RED CARDS -

ATTENDANCE 38,100




ENGLAND AGE D.O.B. CLUB
1 GK David Seaman 34 19 Sep 1963 Arsenal
2 DF Sol Campbell 23 18 Sep 1974 Tottenham Hotspur
3 DF Graeme Le Saux 29 17 Oct 1968 Chelsea
5 DF Tony Adams 31 10 Oct 1966 Arsenal
12 DF Gary Neville 23 18 Feb 1975 Manchester United
4 MD Paul Ince (-83) 30 21 Oct 1967 Liverpool
7 MD David Beckham 23 02 May 1975 Manchester United
14 MD Darren Anderton (-80) 26 03 Mar 1972 Tottenham Hotspur
16 MD Paul Scholes (-74) 23 16 Nov 1974 Manchester United
9 FW Alan Shearer (c) 27 13 Aug 1970 Newcastle United
20 FW Michael Owen 18 14 Dec 1979 Liverpool

Substitutes
8 MD David Batty (+83) 29 02 Dec 1968 Newcastle United
11 MD Steve McManaman (+74) 26 11 Feb 1972 Liverpool
17 MD Robert Lee (+80) 32 01 Feb 1966 Newcastle United

Coach: Glenn Hoddle 40 27 Oct 1957



COLOMBIA AGE D.O.B. CLUB
22 GK Farid Mondragon 27 21 Jun 1971 Independiente (ARG)
3 DF Ever Palacios 29 18 Jan 1969 Nacional Medellin
5 DF Jorge Bermudez 27 18 Jun 1971 Boca Juniors (ARG)
13 DF Wilmer Cabrera 30 15 Sep 1967 Millonarios
16 DF Antonio Moreno 27 25 Dec 1970 Deportes Tolima
6 MD Mauricio Serna (-46) 30 22 Jan 1968 Boca Juniors (ARG)
8 MD Harold Lozano 26 30 Mar 1972 Real Valladolid (SPA)
10 MD Carlos Valderrama (c) 36 02 Sep 1961 Miami Fusion (USA)
19 MD Fredy Rincon 31 14 Aug 1966 Corinthians (BRA)
7 FW Anthony de Avila (-46) 34 21 Dec 1963 Barcelona (ECU)
21 FW Leider Preciado (-46) 21 26 Feb 1977 Santa Fe Bogota

Substitutes
9 FW Adolfo Valencia (+46) 30 06 Feb 1968 Independiente Medellin
15 FW Victor Aristizabal (+46) 26 09 Dec 1971 Sao Paulo (BRA)
20 FW Hamilton Ricard (+46) 24 12 Jan 1974 Middlesbrough (ENG)

Coach: Hernan Dario Gomez 42 03 Feb 1956

Maybe Michael Yip can confirm if McManaman normally wears XL or not.. (I doubt because I can fit XL and that guy looks a bit thinner though.. hehe)... but you never know

yea, hopefully Michael Yip can confirm it. But then again, during the 1998-2000 era, jerseys are worn to look baggy, rite?

like this :

Pyro, i know he did play during that game but i was also searching for any pics from that particular match to see whether he was wearing L/S or S/S...but there seems to be very little pictures from that era seh...

well, the closest i found with him in that particular jersey is this:



but that's not the world cup one, just a normal qualification one i suppose?

saw that too...this pic shows that he worn a bigger size that he should, very baggy

http://www.urmyhero.co.uk/vault/43956/images/batty10.JPG
http://www.urmyhero.co.uk/vault/43704/images/merse.JPG

it seems David Batty and Paul Merson also worn size XL...

I have just send a message to shakey through facebook, dunno if he can reply and answer or not

Fuh great man you hauls, taiko edi lol.... bu really love your mcmanaman. i got the same jersey not PI or wat but beckham =( ahhhhhh!!! i cemburu lol

hahaha, not taiko la, i think its true what they say, younger people dun think before making decisions

u wear XL kits?

nice catch taiko pyro
great hauls...
really love ur mcmanaman...
and gud luck with ur part time

one of the way for u to get the answer is try to get the world cup 98 compilation vcd/dvd... dunno if u can find it at australia, but i think there are quite a lot of it in malaysia....

@ayai, buy match worn shirts, takkan la buy size that fits you, not like i'm going to wear it jalan jalan also

@loque, thanks bro, all thanks to poisons here and there
but....me not taiko la, still got lots to learn

@devil_nick, such things difficult to find here bro, soccer not that famous in Australia...but...how to prove it's player worn or issued through the compilation?

pyroboy1911 wrote:

@devil_nick, such things difficult to find here bro, soccer not that famous in Australia...but...how to prove it's player worn or issued through the compilation?

haha at least u'll see exactly the jersey worn by mcmanaman in the match ( SS/LS or the size).. and u can feel proud to tell others "that jersey is mine now" hahahaha

btw it's really a nice catch... i'm not a fan of mcmanaman but i'll be extremely proud if i have mcmanaman's match worn jersey in my collection....

juz found out...Mr. Mcmanaman wore short sleeve in the match!



watch around minute 6.25 to 6.30..

so anyone wanna take a bet, that it is a maych worn ady?

Sorry Brandon but I might take a bet that it's not match worn from the world cup match unfortunately..

Look closely at the england kits in the youtube video... The names are close near the collars. And there's no VAPATECH tag below the collars. I remember seeing player issue kits for these kits (and United's white away kit) has no vapa tech tags below the collars.

The McMANAMAN kit you have, the name is too low from the collars.

It is not 100% confirmed, unless there is a COA (certificate of authenticity)...

Remember, the embroidery can be done via DIY since the font is simple arial font.

Player spec jerseys (player issue) can be make up and touched up to look like a match worn.

So,i bet for not match worn.

hhm yea, Jerseyman is right. then i guess this isnt a match worn then..damn..

but then, wouldnt it be weird for this kit to have a PI FA crest, but still have a VAPATECH tag? oh well, i still get my money's worth anyway, with the and embroidery done so well

the only thing i lost is my bragging rights

As I said.. there are 2 versions of that player issue kit..

Remember, this is the same batch of umbro kits (release in mid 1997) with the Man United 1997-1999 white away kit, Chelsea 1997-1999 home kit, celtic 1997-1998 home kit and Everton 1997-1999 home kit. All these kits has the vapatech tag behind the kit for replica versions.

For the player issue kits (all mentioned above), there were 2 versions for player issue... One is with the vapatech, worn in 1997-1998 season and another is without the vapatech tag and worn in the 1998-1999. For example, the white away kit sometimes has no vapatech tag when worn in the 1998-1999 treble season. I remember when the white away kit was worn for the second time vs Liverpool away at Anfield in the 1997-1998 season (3-1 win, Cole scoring 2 goals), the player issue kits has the vapatech tag. And the same kit had no vapatech tag when worn vs Barcelona home and away in the 1998-1999 UEFA Champions League.

Vapatech tag cannot be used as a criteria to separate it as a replica or player issue.. because umbro is not consistent on this.

But look at it in the bright side.. you got yourself a very rare player issue umbro england kit. For myself, it is very hard to find umbro player issue kit from that period. So that's why I am so happy with my latest haul, the white and black player issue Man United away 1997-1999 shorts. And also, you got it for a very good price. XL some more, can you fit ah wearing it? I sure can..

ic...thanks for the explanation bro. now...if someone can prove that other players use newer batch of jersey, while mcmanaman ws given the older batch

nah, i'm still happy if its a PI kit, for the price i pay for it. If i wear it, looks baggy, have the same effect as those player during that time

schmeichel7 wrote:

As I said.. there are 2 versions of that player issue kit..

Remember, this is the same batch of umbro kits (release in mid 1997) with the Man United 1997-1999 white away kit, Chelsea 1997-1999 home kit, celtic 1997-1998 home kit and Everton 1997-1999 home kit. All these kits has the vapatech tag behind the kit for replica versions.

For the player issue kits (all mentioned above), there were 2 versions for player issue... One is with the vapatech, worn in 1997-1998 season and another is without the vapatech tag and worn in the 1998-1999. For example, the white away kit sometimes has no vapatech tag when worn in the 1998-1999 treble season. I remember when the white away kit was worn for the second time vs Liverpool away at Anfield in the 1997-1998 season (3-1 win, Cole scoring 2 goals), the player issue kits has the vapatech tag. And the same kit had no vapatech tag when worn vs Barcelona home and away in the 1998-1999 UEFA Champions League.

Vapatech tag cannot be used as a criteria to separate it as a replica or player issue.. because umbro is not consistent on this.

But look at it in the bright side.. you got yourself a very rare player issue umbro england kit. For myself, it is very hard to find umbro player issue kit from that period. So that's why I am so happy with my latest haul, the white and black player issue Man United away 1997-1999 shorts. And also, you got it for a very good price. XL some more, can you fit ah wearing it? I sure can..

Haha..jerseyman dropping hints d